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Израильский слон - лучший друг игильского слона

Всего пять лет прошло после моих предположений, вызванных уж больно характерными действиями израиля в сирийском конфликте с самого его начала (ракетно-бомбовые удары по правительственным войскам, согласованные с наземными атаками террористов), и теперь министр обороны Израиля открытым текстом говорит о том, что не только предпочитает, чтоб на территории Сирии царствовал Игил, но и призывает оказать немедленную военную поддержку игилу силами армии израиля.



[Если хотите прочесть собственно статью - тыц сюда.]
Israeli DM Prefers ISIS to Iran

Insists Iran Remains 'The Main Enemy'
by Jason Ditz, January 19, 2016

Speaking today at a security conference in Tel Aviv, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon declared that he “prefers ISIS” over Iran, and does not consider ISIS to pose a serious threat to the Israeli state, saying Iran will always remain “the main enemy.”

Ya’alon insisted that he believes ISIS will be defeated at any rate, what with the US launching strikes on their oil supplies, but that he’d much rather see ISIS rule all of Syria, and consequently be directly on Israel’s border, than have the pro-Iran government remain in power.

Ya’alon’s declaration was a lot more public than most, but not really outside of long-standing Israeli policy, and the defense minister laid out a similar argument around the notion of an apocalyptic “clash of civilizations” between Israel and the Shi’ite world, believing that the Sunnis, like ISIS, are practically on their side.

Not that ISIS sees it that way. While they’ve been more focused on attacking Shi’ites than attacking Israel so far, they’ve made multiple statements about their plans to expand into Palestine and fight against Israeli forces. Israel’s military chief warned only yesterday that ISIS may soon turn its focus to attacking Israel and Jordan.


[За переводом - тыц сюда.]
"говоря сегодня на конференции по безопасности в Тель Авиве, израильский МО Моше Яалон заявил, что "предпочитает Ирану ИГИЛ", и не считает, что последний являет серьезную опасность для израиля, тогда как "иран всегда будет главным врагом".

Ya'alon: In choice between Iran and ISIS, I prefer ISIS

Яалон подчеркнул уверенность, что игил будет так или иначе разбит, но он предпочел бы, чтоб Сирией управлял ИГИЛ, и соответственно, он же имелся на Израильских границах, нежели теперешнее правительство Сирии.

Заявление Яалона было гораздо более публичным, нежели обычно, но в общем не выделялось из долговременной израильской политики. МО подобные заявления выдавал и во время своей апокалиптической "схватки цивилизаций" между израилем и шиитским миром. Уверяя, что сунниты, в частности, ИГИЛ, практически на их (израиля) стороне.

Israeli defense minister: If I had to choose between Iran and ISIS, I’d choose ISIS

Сами игил видят дело иначе: Хотя пока они сфокусированы на атаках шиитов, в их планах расширение на всю палестину и война против израильских сил.

ISIS leader threatens to strike Israel

Не далее как вчера главком ВС Израиля предупредил, что ИГИЛ может начать удары против сил израиля.

ISIS may ‘turn guns’ against Israel, Jordan amid failures in Syria – IDF chief


Ему вторит глава разведки Израиля:



Глава израильской разведки заявил, что не желает разгрома ИГИЛа.
"На данный момент у него трудности. Поражение поставит Израиль в тяжелое положение."

[Если охота текст статьи - тыц]
Israeli Intelligence chief: We do not want ISIS defeat in Syria

Israeli intelligence Chief, Major General Herzi Halevy, said that the last three months have been the most difficult for ISIS since its inception.

In a speech delivered at “Herzliya” conference yesterday , Halevy explicitly said “Israel” does not want the situation in Syria to end with the defeat of ISIS “, the Israeli NRG site reported.

“Withdrawal of the super powers from the region and letting Israel alone in front of Hezbollah and Iran that possess good abilities Will make “Israel” in a hard position” . Therefore, we’ve to do all we can so as not finding ourselves in such situation”, the Israeli chief intelligence added.


и далее весьма любопытное: страх, что за свинство придется платить:

[англ оригинал текста статьи]

Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated in Syria

Israeli officials have regularly expressed comfort with the idea of ISIS conquering the whole of Syria, saying they find it preferable to the Iran-allied government surviving the war. At the same time, they were never so overtly supportive of ISIS and its survival.

Halevy went on to express concern that the defeat of ISIS might mean the “superpowers” leaving Syria, saying this would put Israel “in a hard position” after being so opposed to the survival of the Syrian government.

He then said Israel will do “all we can so as to not find ourselves in such a situation,” suggesting that the Israeli military is looking at direct support for ISIS as a matter of policy, and not just rhetoric.


Израильские официальные лица регулярно выражали поддержку захвату игилом всей сирии, указывая, что это предпочтительнее союзного ирану правительства. Однако ранее они так сильно не поддерживали его и не беспокоились о его выживании.
Халеви выразил особую озабоченность, что поражение игила вызовет уход "больших сил" (конкретно говоря, сша)) из Сирии, что поставит Израиль в трудное положение после столь активной деятельности против властей Сирии.

Он заявил, что Израиль сделает всё, что возможно, чтоб не оказаться в подобной ситуации, предлагая прямую военную поддержку игила армией израиля. Не просто как риторику, а как основную линию политики.

Собственно, кто-то еще будет возражать против того, что я писал еще с 2011 года - что израиль на стороне террористов и оказывает им военную и прочую помощь?


зы, [Статья в вашингтонпост о том же заявлении МО Израиля]

Israeli defense minister: If I had to choose between Iran and ISIS, I’d choose ISIS

Speaking at the Institute for National Security Studies' (INSS) conference in Tel Aviv on  Jan. 19, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon made a bold statement: If he had to choose between Iran and the Islamic State, he told the audience, he'd "choose ISIS."

Ya'alon reasoned that Iran had greater capabilities than the Islamic State and remained the biggest threat for Israel. He argued that if Syria were to fall to one of the two powers, he would prefer it were the Islamic State rather than Iran or Iran-backed groups. "We believe ISIS will be eventually defeated territorially after the blows it has been suffering, and in light of the attacks on its oil reserves," he told the conference, according to Ynetnews.

Ya'alon said that current problems in the Middle East showed the region was at the "height of the clash of civilizations." He also added that Israel shared common interests with the regional Sunni Muslim powers, who were also threatened by the Shia Muslim Iran.

Coming just days after the U.S. began to lift sanctions on Iran, part of a nuclear deal that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Ya'alon had vocally opposed, the hawkish minister's comments were widely interpreted as further evidence of a divergence of priorities between Israel and the United States. On social media, a number of observers criticized the comments, while others reasoned they were simply a rational look at the situation from Israel's viewpoint.

The comment did seem to highlight a widespread belief in  Israeli defense circles – that the Islamic State is not a big problem for Israel and that Iran and Iran-backed groups like Hezbollah are of a bigger concern. This belief has been born out in policy: Israel has largely avoided any involvement in the fight against the Islamic State but has struck Hezbollah inside Syria.

Ya'alon has repeatedly expressed his opposition to the U.S.-backed nuclear deal with Iran, arguing that the deal makes war with Iran more likely than less. He has also dismissed the idea that the Islamic State was a direct threat to Israel. "ISIS is a new phenomenon, originating from al-Qaeda. This is not a threat for us," he told The Washington Post's Lally Waymouth in 2014. "Hopefully the coalition led by the United States will contain them."

Ya'alon's comments  Tuesday contrasted with those of Israeli President Reuven Rivlin, who argued that the Islamic State's extremist ideology was a real threat to Israel. "Many Israelis do not understand the strength of the current sweeping young Arabs who leave school and almost inevitably choose the Islamic State," he said.

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